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| Author: | Colin S [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:32 am ] |
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OK, so my excuse is that it is a year since I built a guitar as I have been away working or building lutes, but boy am I stupid! I bent up a set of very nice English walnut sides, the sister set to some that Russell showed recently, and got them ready to glue the cherry head and tailblocks in. So I turn on the bottle warmer, sit the tail block on the hot plate to warm and heat up the HHG. When it's up to temperature a good layer goes onto the warm block and I press it into place on the sides and add the clamps. Clean up the squeeze out and job done! Well half an hour or so later I'm thinking to myself did I put the wax paper between the sides and the mould? Answer, NO! So out to the shop I go and yep, the glue squeeze between the two sides had glued the sides to the mould. This is the point where running around in a panic like a headless chicken does no good at all. So after I'd stopped running round like a headless chicken, I calm down and figure a way to get them out without ruining the sides. So I unscrewed the two halves of the mould, and heat up my trusty pallet knife (OK my wifes pastry knife) and very carefully start working it between the mould and the sides, success! Sides removed from mould and calm and tranquility returns to the Symonds' household. Anyone else done this? Colin |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:37 am ] |
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I haven't done that one Colin. At least not yet. |
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| Author: | L. Presnall [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:39 am ] |
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| I may have...
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| Author: | L. Presnall [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:39 am ] |
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But if I did, it was my wife's cake frosting spatula that got me out of it! 
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| Author: | John How [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:42 am ] |
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Yep, I have even had such a good fit at the ends a set of sides that I said to myself sort of boasting, "that's such a good fit I don't even need to block the glue" wrong answer!!! |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:00 am ] |
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No you don't want do that Don't ask how I know 
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| Author: | LanceK [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:26 am ] |
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Just last week I glued a back down to a radius dish, the glue on the brace ends that extended out over the back_AND_wax paper held firmly to the MDF dish 
They had to be amputated in place, no damage done, BUT a fresh reminder to USE THAT WAX paper.. |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:27 am ] |
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I may not ever do that...now. Thanks, Colin! |
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| Author: | Don Williams [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:29 am ] |
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I might have done that once. But I'll never tell.
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:31 am ] |
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Not yet but now that you mentionned this, John Hall's signature has meaning more than ever! |
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| Author: | burbank [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:37 am ] |
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Colin, What a relief! Makes a good case for coating the insides of our molds. |
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| Author: | Dave Rector [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:18 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Hesh1956] Has anyone cut off the excess on a slotted fretboard but mistakenly cut off the wrong end.......? [/QUOTE]
Well...I did just cut one off too short. I didn't cut the wrong end, but I did cut it off somewhere outside the rosette. Seems that at some point for some unknown reason I added an extra notch to my slotting template. I marked it with a big red x so I won't make the same mistake twice....I hope.
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| Author: | Ron Priest [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:14 am ] |
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I to have had that expression Ooooh!Noooo! Seems fretbds and glue squeeze out have plagued many others. It so nice to know your not alone in one's human condition. Thanks for reminding us of our abilities to overcome those problems that sometimes happen. Glad it worked out that you didn't acquire to much damage to either mould or sides, Colin. Let's think things through my friends. You know the old addage-measure twice, cut once. |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:55 am ] |
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Never glued the side to the mould. But....I use the single rod, gibson style truss rods, and on the last build, after the guitar was all polished up, I attached the neck without the truss rod (my desin lets me take out the rod from the heal end of the neck, good if the rod ever breaks, just like Hoffman does). I was lying in bed, admiring my work when I realized I didn't put the truss rod in. Zipped down to the shop around 2am (was only in my undies too ) and detached the neck, the glue had already set too.... Doh!!  |
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| Author: | Rod True [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 12:15 pm ] |
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Ok, that sounds really really bad when you pervert it .
Your mind is on the rocks again I see Hesh 
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| Author: | Serge Poirier [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:06 pm ] |
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[QUOTE=Rod True] Zipped down to the shop around 2am (was only in my undies too ) and detached... [/QUOTE]
Rod, that must have been a real nightmare?
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| Author: | crazymanmichael [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 1:54 pm ] |
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i've never had the misfortune to glue somethiings together which shouldn't be, uless you count my fingers with ca too many times to remember. but this good fortune has been the result of having it drummed into me very early on that wax is my friend. anything that i use glue on or around, e.g., jigs, forms, cauls, wooden clamps - everything from clothes pins to klemsias, spools, etc., gets a healthy coat of wax which i renew when ever i think about it. saves having to remember to fuss with the wax paper. |
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| Author: | JBreault [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 2:43 pm ] |
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Could you wax the inside of your molds instead of using wax paper? I'm thinking if you have a snug fit, the paper might get wedged in. Colin, thank you for sharing your mistake. When I see that grizzled vets like you make an oversight, well I don't feel as bone headed. |
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| Author: | Alain Desforges [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 6:04 pm ] |
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Reminds me of the first time I tried using HHG to glue my top to the rims... Nerves and a need for speed tripled with the fact that I wanted enough glue in the joint... Long story short, I wound up with squeeze out the likes of which has probably never been imagined in a luthiers worst nightmare... Why, I glued myself to the shop floor!!! Good thing HHG cleans up like a dream! |
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| Author: | Billy T [ Tue Oct 03, 2006 7:01 pm ] |
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Uh....! Rod, why did you have a truss rod in your undies?
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| Author: | Mike Mahar [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:09 am ] |
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I was making two mandolins at the ssame time. When I cut off the top of the pre-slotted fretboard, I then tried to do the same thing to the other board. I accidently grabbed the first board again and lopped off the first fret position. |
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| Author: | Michael Dale Payne [ Wed Oct 04, 2006 2:12 am ] |
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[QUOTE=Hesh1956] Ahhhhh, now I do not feel so very alone in this world..... Has anyone cut off the excess on a slotted fretboard but mistakenly cut off the wrong end.......? [/QUOTE]
Hesh, don't cut on the narrow end
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